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Why Is Powder Project Not Used More


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Will Beaubien · · Incline Village, NV · Joined Jun 2015 · Points: 0

It seems like this could be a great resource but many backcountry routes are missing. Why?  It feels like everyone gave up on this project. 

Jacob Winey · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 1,059

Here's one view a lot of skiers are taking on it.
https://unofficialnetworks.com/2018/10/18/powder-project-app-useful-tool-or-backcountry-heresy/

Also, from my point of view, there really aren't that many people who explore that much in the backcounty. Most people just ski areas that their friends show them, or things that they can see from the road. The group of people that venture a lot into the backcounty is fairly small, quiet about it, and already using pretty comprehensive guidebooks. I think Powder Project could become way better, but it needs to be grown to the point where it's competitive with those guidebooks.

James2 Jones · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Oct 2014 · Points: 0

Because people from the mountains are sick of people moving to and ruining the mountains. It's getting contentious.

Jacob Winey · · Boulder, CO · Joined Apr 2016 · Points: 1,059

That's an awfully contentious thing to say.

I think it could be a great resource, for locals and visitors, if it was used more. Especially if people regularly update conditions.

Jefe Mundo · · Unknown Hometown · Joined Jul 2014 · Points: 0

"I think it could be a great resource, for locals and visitors, if it was used more. Especially if people regularly update conditions. "

This is exactly the problem with it....its a great resource for visitors. many of whom have no business being the in back country.

Its like the 5280 and Westword articles that encourage intermediate skier transplants from Chicago to "go experience the back country" and post articles on where when and how.

If there was some way to weed out the riffraff and keep it to locals who know what they are doinig respect the environment and danger, then it might be used more. 

Ryan Nevius · · Chiang Mai, TH · Joined Dec 2010 · Points: 322

In my opinion, the issue is threefold:

First, as has already been mentioned, there just aren't that many people exploring much backcountry. Of the people who are, an even smaller subset is willing to put in the time and effort it takes to share knowledge online.

Second, the information that is required to be submitted about a descent or ascent is just confusing. Why are we rating backcountry descents with resort-style ratings? Why is a featured photo required for every single route, even though the route is clearly mapped? Why do we need multiple different descriptions on the same page? The list goes on. The Powder Project team doesn't seem to understand its users.

Third, and similar to the previous issue, the approval process for new descent/ascent submissions is plain awful. I have submitted a few things over the years and it has been a pain every single time. In fact, my most recent experience is prompting this reply. Unlike Mountain Project where I can just submit information about a route and have it be live in 10 minutes, Powder Project often takes a week or more. Making this process user friendly just doesn't seem to be a priority for the Adventure Projects team. I won't be submitting additional information until some of these issues are fixed.

For now, there's just nothing I can learn from Powder Project that isn't already available in guidebooks or area-specific blogs.

Spencer Parkin · · Bountiful · Joined Oct 2017 · Points: 843

Not sure if it's the main problem, but certainly one problem is that of people not wanting to advertise their runs.  I understand this mentality.  First tracks are the major appeal of B/C skiing, and you jeopardize that by telling people about a run or area.  Nevertheless, I have shared some info about Bountiful Ridge in Utah....I could pay for that, but I actually wouldn't mind seeing more people up there.  They can be my volunteer stability testers.  I'm also hoping to make some friends up there.  I hate going up there alone, but I can't stay away.

Guideline #1: Don't be a jerk.

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